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Damo
16-12-2009, 06:03 PM
I would like to share my story... of my temporary home, called Alice Springs, it's a strange, but yet amusing town of Tourists, Aboriginals, and their "Town Camps", Strict Alcohol Laws, Uranium Mine, and American's "Top Secret" Pine Gap Spy Base....:sqerr:

But this post is about the Aboriginals and Alcohol. I will get into Uranium Mine and the Pine Gap Spy Base, my lovely neighours 20kms away later on.

When you are anywhere in the State of Northern Territory, anywhere in the surroundings of Alice Springs, you will see this sign everywhere:

http://blogs.radioaustralia.net.au/australianbite/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/alcohol_and_pornography_warning_sign__540x304.jpg

And you'll find this lovely postcard pretty much everywhere in Alice Spring's stores, tourist shops, etc etc

Alcohol Laws Postcard (http://www.nt.gov.au/justice/licenreg/documents/liquor/fs_asp_alcohol_postcard.pdf)

There's a lot of Alcohol Restrictions, because of the "Aboriginal's Anti-Social Behaviour" but the way I see it, The Europeans brought the drink into their culture 200 years ago, and their bodies are not used to the effects of Alcohol, while "White/Europeans" have been drinking the product for several thousand years, so the European's DNA/Body have evolved over hundreds of years to adjust us handling the side effects, but yet... it's a big topic and there's been so many debating on this grey area of topic.

In Alice Springs, "Shooters/Shot Glasses" are banned in Pubs/Bars, 4 litre Cask Wines (cheap wine in box) is banned, you only can buy 1 x 2lt Cask Wine per person per day from 6pm to 9pm, same with fortified wines as Sherry/Port.

Everytime you purchase take-away Alcohol, you must show ID, even if you are 78 years old all wrinkly up, using walking frame, etc because the bottleshops must give the police details on the computer system for 24hours to prevent "people" (government's way of saying aboriginals in racist way) to stocking up alcohol by going to the next bottleshop because if you buy more than $100 worth of grog (even if you buy expensive Cognac worth $200) you have to give details to the bottleshop where you'll be consuming the alcohol, just in case the police need to be alerted for potential parties getting out of control (mainly to keep eye on the aboriginals).

That's wine Aboriginals have soft spot for 2lt cask wines because it's cheap and gets them, very intoxicated, that's why of the ID computer system and 1 x cask wine per person per day from 6-9pm laws. Designed to target the Aboriginal's anti-social behaviour.

Racist I know... but if it's whites, the coppers just turn other way.

Aboriginals have been living in Australia for over 10,000 years, without having alcohol in their culture.

It's like saying it's OK for us "Whites/Europeans" to get intoxicated but it's "Not OK" for them aboriginals?

You probably noticed the “No Pornography” in the first image above?

Why? The “Government” found a lot reports of sexual abuse in Aboriginal’s “Town Camps” and they thought them getting intoxicated and having pornography in their hands, it gives them the “encouragement” and “excitement” induced by the side effects of alcohol, so they go out and find someone to feed their personal gains. Strange I know aye?

You will find that Alice Springs is very "divided/racist" town between the "Whites" and "Local Aboriginals" just look at the images below of their living standards:

http://images.theage.com.au/2009/07/04/616872/camp-420-420x0.jpg http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05XA3GY2fU03s/610x.jpg

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00583/HOPPPYTOWN_PIXEL_SI_583819a.JPG http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/apr2008/nt03-a07.JPG

Reminds me of South Africa’s Apartheid Years, Australians have a strange views and behaviour when it comes to these issues just look at the cartoon and other image below, it pretty sums up:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/04/15/davidson_1604_wideweb__470x326,2.jpg

Their average life expectancy:

http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/people/images/aboriginal-vs-white-life-expectancy.gif

I live in a strange town..... :3argh:

Ferre
17-12-2009, 04:41 AM
I've seen a reality tv show about the Australian border and how the border police treats people.

Needless to say I will never set foot on Australian ground after I've seen that, way too fascist for me.

Damo
17-12-2009, 05:51 AM
I know Ferre,

The Federal Government is even trying to introduce Internet Censorship.... :sqmad:

http://nocleanfeed.com/nocensorship.gif

Strong
17-12-2009, 06:29 AM
The treatment of the native population of Australia, the Aboriginals, has been shameful and will always sully the name of Australia until redress is made. Australia cannot be thought of as a modern, progressive country to rank along with other first world states until it gets this issue right.

You cannot dispossess a people of their land and roots and treat them like trash, we are no longer living in the 1800s. Real investment must be made in these people and they need to be more integrated into Australian life, while not robbing them of their traditions and beliefs.

Cryren8972
17-12-2009, 09:48 AM
This really saddens me...especially the images.
Is there anything that can be done for them? That little old me could accomplish?

Atom
17-12-2009, 11:41 AM
I wonder what it is about the Aboriginals' drunken behavior that makes it intolerable.

I also wonder what we are spying on.

Strong
17-12-2009, 03:08 PM
Something I once read seem pertinent here, namely tea and beer.

Long ago people noticed that drinking water caused illness. In differing parts of the world people developed different strategies to overcome this problem in urban areas.

In Asia they made tea, boiling the water, thus killing the bugs that caused the problem. In Europe they made beer, again boiling of water plus fermentation, resulting in drinkable liquid that was alcoholic.

The theory goes that over generations, Westerners became tolerant of alcohol and could thus drink more of it before becoming inebriated. The tea drinkers on the other hand were not exposed to so much alcohol thus are several generations behind, tolerance wise. Thus Indians and Orientals tend to get drunk on less alcohol than Westerners from European stock.

Thus the theory goes, that those not exposed to alcohol are more easily influenced by it in an adverse way.

I expect the aborigines get up to the same sort of mischief as everybody else in the world does when drunk. They lose their inhibitions and do things they wouldn't normally do.

tsdesigns
17-12-2009, 06:37 PM
Wait...no porn? A $5,500-$11,000 fine for porn? :o thats a bit harsh...

pctec
17-12-2009, 07:16 PM
Wait...no porn? A $5,500-$11,000 fine for porn? :o thats a bit harsh...

From the pics above I would have to wonder what they would watch it on... I didn't see a TV or a DVD player...

tsdesigns
17-12-2009, 07:21 PM
From the pics above I would have to wonder what they would watch it on... I didn't see a TV or a DVD player...

who says porn needs to be in video format?

pctec
17-12-2009, 07:29 PM
Oh my! Live porn?
Now that's decadent! :)

Muddy
18-12-2009, 12:38 AM
They brand perverse images on the sides of farm animals.

Atom
18-12-2009, 08:44 AM
Something I once read seem pertinent here, namely tea and beer.

Long ago people noticed that drinking water caused illness. In differing parts of the world people developed different strategies to overcome this problem in urban areas.

In Asia they made tea, boiling the water, thus killing the bugs that caused the problem. In Europe they made beer, again boiling of water plus fermentation, resulting in drinkable liquid that was alcoholic.

The theory goes that over generations, Westerners became tolerant of alcohol and could thus drink more of it before becoming inebriated. The tea drinkers on the other hand were not exposed to so much alcohol thus are several generations behind, tolerance wise. Thus Indians and Orientals tend to get drunk on less alcohol than Westerners from European stock.

Thus the theory goes, that those not exposed to alcohol are more easily influenced by it in an adverse way.

I expect the aborigines get up to the same sort of mischief as everybody else in the world does when drunk. They lose their inhibitions and do things they wouldn't normally do.This seems unlikely to me as I don't think that evolution progresses that rapidly.

Atom
18-12-2009, 08:47 AM
In other words, a few generations doesn't seem like nearly enough time for a tolerance to alcohol to be ingrained in offspring.

Atom
18-12-2009, 08:53 AM
If you consider the time it takes for evolutionary changes to occur in primates, you see that even small changes take not a few thousand, but hundreds of thousands of years.

Strong
18-12-2009, 10:38 AM
Aids, Africa, prostitutes, immune, a matter of a couple of decades only.

Atom
18-12-2009, 10:41 AM
Aids, Africa, prostitutes, immune, a matter of a couple of decades only.What? lol

You definitely lost me there.

Strong
18-12-2009, 10:55 AM
*sigh*

OK, I'll do the sentences thing. I was just trying to save time. I put forth an example for your consideration.

In parts of Africa they have found small populations of prostitutes that exhibit an immunity to AIDS. After repeated being exposed to the disease they do not show any signs of contracting the AIDS. Many are too poor to afford contraceptives such as condoms.

Now you could argue the immunity in these populations already existed and I couldn't disagree, but extend the time period somewhat and imagine what would happen if no treatment/cure for AIDS was/is found.

If I did that, I would foresee a time when much of the human population would be wiped out and the only remaining healthy people would be the descendants of those prostitutes and their relatives.

Atom
18-12-2009, 04:51 PM
*sigh*

OK, I'll do the sentences thing. I was just trying to save time. I put forth an example for your consideration.

In parts of Africa they have found small populations of prostitutes that exhibit an immunity to AIDS. After repeated being exposed to the disease they do not show any signs of contracting the AIDS. Many are too poor to afford contraceptives such as condoms.

Now you could argue the immunity in these populations already existed and I couldn't disagree, but extend the time period somewhat and imagine what would happen if no treatment/cure for AIDS was/is found.

If I did that, I would foresee a time when much of the human population would be wiped out and the only remaining healthy people would be the descendants of those prostitutes and their relatives.Well should we be comparing disease with alcohol tolerance? That doesn't seem right.

Damo
19-12-2009, 06:28 AM
Something I once read seem pertinent here, namely tea and beer.

Long ago people noticed that drinking water caused illness. In differing parts of the world people developed different strategies to overcome this problem in urban areas.

In Asia they made tea, boiling the water, thus killing the bugs that caused the problem. In Europe they made beer, again boiling of water plus fermentation, resulting in drinkable liquid that was alcoholic.

The theory goes that over generations, Westerners became tolerant of alcohol and could thus drink more of it before becoming inebriated. The tea drinkers on the other hand were not exposed to so much alcohol thus are several generations behind, tolerance wise. Thus Indians and Orientals tend to get drunk on less alcohol than Westerners from European stock.

Thus the theory goes, that those not exposed to alcohol are more easily influenced by it in an adverse way.

I expect the aborigines get up to the same sort of mischief as everybody else in the world does when drunk. They lose their inhibitions and do things they wouldn't normally do.

That's pretty true, few years ago I got seriously carried away with my Home Beer Brewing that I ended up producing nearly 60 litres of beer every 7-10 days full on for 6 months straight, but wont get into that LOL!

By the way... I remember reading a Beer Home Brewing Book, I borrowed from the local library in Tasmania to look up some interesting Belgian/German Style of beers recipes, and there was a small history section mentioned how typical UK/European housewife back in the 1600's/1700's one of their duties was to make beer for the Husband when he gets home from work and weak beers for the kids due poor water standards back then, it wasn't uncommon for them to drink over 3-5 litres of beer a day!

So you aren't wrong there Strong about tolerance in Europeans there.

Strong
19-12-2009, 10:42 AM
Well should we be comparing disease with alcohol tolerance? That doesn't seem right.

Should we compare, why not :sqconfused:

(Perhaps those that didn't drink beer, but drank unsterilised water stood less chance of surviving.)

Atom
19-12-2009, 11:19 AM
Should we compare, why not :sqconfused:

(Perhaps those that didn't drink beer, but drank unsterilised water stood less chance of surviving.)Because disease has nothing to do with alcohol tolerance that I can think of.

Muddy
19-12-2009, 11:34 AM
I don't know about that...

One who is extremely tolerant of alcohol may therefore drink such quantities so as to be detrimental to one's health.

Strong
19-12-2009, 11:50 AM
Because disease has nothing to do with alcohol tolerance that I can think of.

Ah. I think I see where the confusion may be.

My example about AIDS immunity was a direct response to this:


This seems unlikely to me as I don't think that evolution progresses that rapidly.

I was trying to point out that evolution can be rapid. I wasn't making a link between this and the first example why the Aborigines might react adversely to alcohol.

Atom
19-12-2009, 12:10 PM
Ah. I think I see where the confusion may be.

My example about AIDS immunity was a direct response to this:



I was trying to point out that evolution can be rapid. I wasn't making a link between this and the first example why the Aborigines might react adversely to alcohol.I see. Yes I know that it can be rapid, I remember that from watching that Becoming Human series. I still have yet to watch that a few more times.

Atom
19-12-2009, 12:26 PM
I don't know about that...

One who is extremely tolerant of alcohol may therefore drink such quantities so as to be detrimental to one's health.If 10 generations drink to the point of acquiring cirrhosis of the liver in their lifetimes, will their successive generations genetically inherit cirrhosis of the liver without ever touching a drop? Could the successive abstinent generations possess a genetically altered tolerance to the effects? Maybe, but that is something that I would think would take many more generations than 10.

Muddy
19-12-2009, 12:38 PM
Quite right, put that way.

Atom
19-12-2009, 12:44 PM
Well I don't really know though, I'm just speculating.

Atom
19-12-2009, 12:59 PM
I still think it would be interesting to know just how it is that drunken Ab's act that would call for such prohibitive measures.

Damo
20-12-2009, 12:43 AM
I still think it would be interesting to know just how it is that drunken Ab's act that would call for such prohibitive measures.

Policeman-films-drunk-aborigine-which-appears-on-youtube/story (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/katherine-policeman-films-drunk-aborigine-which-appears-on-youtube/story-e6freuy9-1111118678424)

http://www.austnewnation.org/material/Aboriginals.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yedu2Y5IetY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V44B6t4oCr0

Racist Country we live in here.......

Brian
20-12-2009, 12:07 PM
Anyone ever seen the movie Rabbit-Proof Fence (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0252444/)?


Western Australia, 1931. Government policy includes taking half-caste children from their Aboriginal mothers and sending them a thousand miles away to what amounts to indentured servitude, "to save them from themselves." Molly, Daisy, and Grace (two sisters and a cousin who are 14, 10, and 8 ) arrive at their Gulag and promptly escape, under Molly's lead. For days they walk north, following a fence that keeps rabbits from settlements, eluding a native tracker and the regional constabulary. Their pursuers take orders from the government's "chief protector of Aborigines," A.O. Neville, blinded by Anglo-Christian certainty, evolutionary world view and conventional wisdom. Can the girls survive?

Atom
20-12-2009, 03:36 PM
It just occurred to me last night that this post isn't right;

If you consider the time it takes for evolutionary changes to occur in primates, you see that even small changes take not a few thousand, but hundreds of thousands of years.
it should read tens of thousands of years rather than hundreds of thousands of years, because significant changes did occur from neanderthal to present time and the neanderthals lived as recently as 35,000 years ago or so.

Muddy
20-12-2009, 03:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yedu2Y5IetY

KyahKannibal (1 week ago)
"Friggin rillaz man. I hate livin in Alice Springs aye."

Atom
20-12-2009, 04:03 PM
I didn't see that because they wanted me to register to view it.

Also the vid in the first link was inaccessible due to non-compliance of terms or something like that.

Atom
20-12-2009, 04:06 PM
Due to terms of use violation it said.

Muddy
20-12-2009, 04:09 PM
I got that message on the first vid but the others were fine.

Atom
20-12-2009, 04:13 PM
Following the third link brings me to this;


“parkies”
This video or group may contain content that is inappropriate for some users, as flagged by YouTube's user community.
To view this video or group, please verify you are 18 or older by signing in or signing up.

Muddy
20-12-2009, 04:14 PM
Following the third link brings me to this;


“parkies”
This video or group may contain content that is inappropriate for some users, as flagged by YouTube's user community.
To view this video or group, please verify you are 18 or older by signing in or signing up.

Ah yes...I have an account so it logged in automatically for me.

Atom
20-12-2009, 04:21 PM
Does that put me in the antidisestablishmentarianism category?
lol

Muddy
20-12-2009, 04:25 PM
antiyoutubelishmentarianism

Damo
21-12-2009, 08:21 AM
http://www.plusandminus.net/images/general/connect_sign.jpg

Pine Gap spy base to be upgraded (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=984085)

Pine Gap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap)

The Mystery of Pine Gap (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_pinegap06.htm)

Pine Gap 6 . Org (http://www.pinegap6.org/info.html)

http://solreka.com/blog/wp-content/pine_gap.jpg

Damo
21-12-2009, 08:30 AM
Uranium mine 25km from Alice Springs is being approved......

Green Left - A uranium hole in the heart (http://www.greenleft.org.au/2009/808/41566)

ACF - Say no to uranium mine 25km from Alice Springs (http://www.acfonline.org.au/articles/news.asp?news_id=1696)

http://www.michelswarrenmunday.com.au/uploads/file/Cameco%20Flyer%20-%20May%2008.pdf

Uranium giants put in shade | The Courier-Mail (http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21039921-3122,00.html)

Damo
21-12-2009, 08:32 AM
Makes you wonder why the Federal Government's keen to go ahead with INTERNET CENSORSHIP????

ABOUT THE FILM :: BSHARP PRODUCTIONS :: Blowin' In The Wind :: The untold true story of a great big lie! (http://www.bsharp.net.au/htm/the-film.htm)