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Ferre
31-08-2010, 04:08 AM
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Muddy
31-08-2010, 12:03 PM
Wow, that was long but well done. The wrap up drug out a little though.

Well, I guess it's veggies and bugs then!

Atom
31-08-2010, 01:05 PM
I clicked on this topic and fully expected to read a confession that you are actually from another planet. Damn. lol

Muddy
31-08-2010, 01:25 PM
I heard he likes the taste of human but he only eats women.

Atom
31-08-2010, 01:42 PM
lol

I didn't bother clicking on the vid because you said it was a long one, I'll watch it later on this evening.

Atom
31-08-2010, 02:13 PM
My connection is pretty good atm though, so I watched 13 minutes of it. That was enough for me, kill 'em all I say.

Atom
31-08-2010, 02:34 PM
Kill anything that moves. But will anyone actually do that? No. That's where my acceptance comes in. I'll just have to accept this miserable shit we call life.

Atom
31-08-2010, 02:50 PM
I used to see beauty in life, now I see shit.

Atom
31-08-2010, 02:59 PM
The offspring just keeps springing, but for what? Under the circumstances I would ordinarily say that there is reason for life, but not anymore. It's just some kind of natural mistake, that's all. No problem, no purpose, I can dig it, ok then, where's my shotgun..

Atom
31-08-2010, 03:02 PM
That guy probably enjoyed shooting those pigs in the head eh? Stupid human.

Atom
31-08-2010, 03:07 PM
I'm starting to wonder if humans aren't actually below all other animals through the dreadful fate of brain evolution.

Atom
31-08-2010, 03:10 PM
What I'd really like to know is, if humans are so bad why the heck do we keep having ourselves? WTF.

Atom
31-08-2010, 03:11 PM
I'm glad I didn't watch 16 or 17 minutes of it, sheesh..

Atom
31-08-2010, 03:18 PM
Ok in all fairness, who would like to do a bottom line, bare bones summary of this video production for me?
lol

Atom
31-08-2010, 03:27 PM
Ok that's it, I've had it, I'm currently fashioning a slingshot from a tree branch and an inner-tube and the next cow I see is getting a small projectile right between the eyes.

Atom
31-08-2010, 04:26 PM
I had a pet grasshopper for about 20 seconds as a child.

Atom
31-08-2010, 07:05 PM
There were many human-like species that roamed the planet till one day there was only us.

Atom
31-08-2010, 07:17 PM
"Becoming Human: First Steps"
Repeat, 11/03/2009, Science
Experts examine and explain how new discoveries continually transform the evolutionary process of humankind as they look at the discovery of "Lucy's Child," a complete human fossil which revealed upright walking to be the oldest telltale trait.

.. just came on TV 15 minutes ago. A person cannot see that too many times. It's highly interesting.

Atom
31-08-2010, 08:18 PM
The brain enlargement in homos began about 2 million years ago, there was four million years of upright walkers before that with chimp-sized brains.

Atom
31-08-2010, 08:43 PM
Six million years is the blink of an eye in evo-terms, not to mention two million. What the hell happened??

Muddy
31-08-2010, 08:47 PM
The thing about this video though...if we're to use the argument laid out therein, animals, as fellow Earthlings, are our equals. At least when it comes to the right to avoid pain and suffering. The video places a heavy moral burden on humans to grant this right to animals and cease any said infliction(s). However, in the natural world, other animal Earthlings have no compunction whatsoever about inflicting pain and suffering upon their fellow Earthlings. In fact, this is considered normal, natural and even harmonious by the very same humans that would pontificate about equality in species.

By these words I am not by any means advocating cruelty to animals or anything less than absolute humane animal husbandry. However I would contend that instead of, as the video does, portraying all species as "equal Earthlings", we should accept the fact that we really aren't. By virtue of our conscience and thinking ability we humans have a higher moral obligation. So the message should not be "Humans, these creatures are your equals and deserve what you deserve.", it should be, "Humans, out of compassion and a sense of what is right, you should care for these lesser Earthlings in a responsible and beneficent manner.

Atom
31-08-2010, 09:17 PM
It seems to me absurd that life be so long laid out for ultimate human existence. It almost seems as though we humans are an afterthought, starting with homo habilis.

Muddy
31-08-2010, 09:21 PM
Things really started going down hill when homosuconthis came on the scene.

Atom
31-08-2010, 09:27 PM
I don't see any sudden brain enlargement in any other species. Why us?

Atom
31-08-2010, 09:30 PM
I suppose if dogs could talk they'd be asking the same thing due to fleas and tics.

Atom
31-08-2010, 09:38 PM
Personally, I've not heard any good attempts to explain the sudden brain expansion away thus far, by nature or otherwise.

Atom
31-08-2010, 09:44 PM
Becoming Human suggests climate change, that and in light of the relatively recent discovery of brain plasticity seems to make the most sense, but I'm actually rather far from convinced.

Atom
01-09-2010, 12:53 AM
Has this technology explosion rendered us gutless? Get out and arrow a deer I say.

Atom
01-09-2010, 12:55 AM
The most fun I've ever had in my life is hunting whitetail deer with bow and arrow, by far.

Atom
01-09-2010, 01:01 AM
BTW, if anyone actually decides to try it, I wish you a lot of luck. Most serious bow hunters aren't successful till their third season on average.

Atom
01-09-2010, 01:08 AM
Stock up on fly swatters if you have to, just get out there and kill something.
lol

Atom
01-09-2010, 01:24 AM
I've harvested about 35 whitetails with bow and arrow, in season and under rules of fair chase. About 75 with HP rifle, muzzle-loader and .22, mostly in season. I actually dread the thought of a world without real men. We seem to be getting there awfully quick.

Atom
01-09-2010, 01:33 AM
We jumped down out of the trees, started walking upright, started using tools and our brain size started increasing all in the blink of an evo-eye, doesn't that strike anyone as a bit odd?

Atom
01-09-2010, 01:35 AM
Two million years it took, that's nothing with a capital N. Something radical but as yet unknown may have occurred.

Atom
01-09-2010, 01:41 AM
I at first thought that Ferre was going to finally fess up about being an alien and reveal our origins but no such luck. I guess we'll have to wait on science.

Atom
01-09-2010, 01:51 AM
Regarding Becoming Human, the climate instability angle is a bit of a stretch IMO, but I can't discount it. It was apparently rather drastic back then.

Atom
01-09-2010, 02:04 AM
The reason I laughed at my stocking up on fly swatters comment is because they're so cheaply made that they don't last but a fly killing season or two with any respectable use.

Atom
01-09-2010, 02:24 AM
It won't be safe to drive down a road in the future, there will be too many deer etc., everyone will travel by mass transportation.

Atom
01-09-2010, 02:34 AM
A person could make a fortune selling indestructible fly swatters, I think that a lot of people get emotionally attached to their instruments of insect death.

Atom
01-09-2010, 02:46 AM
I've taken probably twenty thousand insects in my day with various swatters, just think if it was all with the same one, I'd wear it sticking out of my back pocket like a slingshot.

Atom
01-09-2010, 02:52 AM
Honey, stand perfectly still.

Get away from me with that damn thing or I'll throw a lamp at you.

Yes dear.

Strong
01-09-2010, 12:06 PM
I prefer to open the window and demand they leave. I rarely resort to violence against the innocent little bastards. The caveat being mosquitoes, they go down with whatever is close at hand be it pillow or ...

Muddy
01-09-2010, 02:14 PM
Humane Index | Most Humane Cities | Humane Society of the United States (http://www.humaneindex.org/)

Halo
01-09-2010, 05:51 PM
If you don't shed just a little tear at this vid the first time you see it I don't really want to know you.
:sqfrown:
GAaH_HlUD68

Atom
01-09-2010, 05:55 PM
Crocodiles don't cry. Save the crocs.

Atom
01-09-2010, 06:05 PM
I love that FG scene where death and his date are sitting at the table and the girl says animals are furry people or something like that.. LOL!

Atom
01-09-2010, 06:22 PM
I think those were the last words she got out before Death had had enough of that date LOL! That's a really funny scene.

Halo, the kitty god strike me dead if I've watched it yet, I will later, I could probably use a good cry.

Muddy
01-09-2010, 10:50 PM
If the cat was only injured, why didn't the camera person or one of the other many people loafing about try to help it during the 4 minutes and 10 seconds of filming?

Atom
01-09-2010, 11:20 PM
I hope I wasn't supposed to have the volume up because I ain't watching it again.

Strong
02-09-2010, 12:29 PM
If you don't shed just a little tear at this vid the first time you see it I don't really want to know you.
:sqfrown:
GAaH_HlUD68

Sorry but I don't think that cat knew cardiac massage. I'm not entirely sure what it was doing, but something touching was going on between them. I do believe animals have emotions too, perhaps they can even grieve in their own way. We have to be careful not to anthropomorphise too much.

vectro
03-09-2010, 05:33 PM
I had a chance to watch most of the video last night. I've only been around here sporadically and am still catching up with posts. I haven't finished it yet but I did make it about 40 to 45 minutes in, enough to see the part about the kosher farm. I always knew animal cruelty is an under-reported and under-discussed rampant issue, but I was especially shocked to see that the biggest kosher glatt farm cheated and broke the rules. I was raised to believe a lot of things about kosher food being pure and that are strict rules for the slaughter of the animal. I'm not religious and don't keep kosher, but much prefer to buy kosher beef in general. Then again, what if the farm cheats? Same thing goes for the Whole Foods supermarket chain. I know some people who refuse to eat anything from there because they say the food is a lie. There are rumors that it is (supposedly) not really organic and there is cruelty on the farms that they get their food from. It's hard to tell what's true and what isn't, though.


I would contend that instead of, as the video does, portraying all species as "equal Earthlings", we should accept the fact that we really aren't. By virtue of our conscience and thinking ability we humans have a higher moral obligation. So the message should not be "Humans, these creatures are your equals and deserve what you deserve.", it should be, "Humans, out of compassion and a sense of what is right, you should care for these lesser Earthlings in a responsible and beneficent manner.

I see your point there.