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fastreplies
30-11-2011, 05:47 PM
It should be no-brainer for party that never raises taxes and want to cut
them by any cost even if it will destroy their country wouldn't cut payroll tax
just because it comes from Obama. The same tax cut Republicans voted to
implement short time ago now become hot political potato that will take away
extra money from the pockets of 120M Americans.

What's wrong with you Republicans crowd?
Or maybe you're following Liz Cheney's claim that Obama is making all these
proposals to crash economy so he can get re-elected. Really?

Hey Liz, if bad economy will help Obama, then how come Republicans letting him
to get away with his "sinister" plan? Isn't they should pass all the proposals Obama
made to kill his chances? Lets use logic in here Liz. Does what you say make any
sense to anyone other than Republicans?

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Zap
01-12-2011, 07:13 AM
The politicians can not agree with each other on anything.
That is why the world economy is doomed.
Get your precious metals now.

Ferre
01-12-2011, 07:36 AM
Precious metals won't help you at the end, what you need is a precious piece of land where you and yours can be self sustainable. From where I am looking at it I see this shit go back to tribal systems in the future, shit will fall apart and all that's not self sustainable will not survive, simple as that, and precious metals can't feed you. Buy shovels, fishing nets, that kind of stuff.

There, that's how I think of society at present times and where it is heading with the kind of people that lead it.

Ferre
01-12-2011, 08:09 AM
How did that double post happen?

Strong
01-12-2011, 08:26 AM
What double post :sqconfused:

:sqwink:

Strong
01-12-2011, 08:29 AM
Precious metals won't help you at the end, what you need is a precious piece of land where you and yours can be self sustainable. From where I am looking at it I see this shit go back to tribal systems in the future, shit will fall apart and all that's not self sustainable will not survive, simple as that, and precious metals can't feed you. Buy shovels, fishing nets, that kind of stuff.

There, that's how I think of society at present times and where it is heading with the kind of people that lead it.

Ferre is getting Medieval on us :sqfrown:


There is a lot of fear at present, but humanity is an ingenious species, I suspect we'll find a way through this. (I point out it is in no one's interest for the system to fail, so it won't be allowed to).

Zap
01-12-2011, 09:38 AM
I have to say, I've been doing more than obtaining precious metals, Strongy. Sorry.
:)

I've been packing away canned goods, rice, pasta.
And I don't own the land, a friend lives there, but I have a place to go, far away from cities, where I can hunt for food and she has a lot of land that can be used to grow things to eat.
Get yourself a plan. You may never need to use it, but a plan is prudent in these times, methinks.

Halo
01-12-2011, 11:58 AM
How did that double post happen?
Negligent discharge. :p
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There, that's how I think of society at present times and where it is heading with the kind of people that lead it.
If only placenta could be farmed out. Then veggies wouldn't have to kill to eat meat. Maybe animals will donate limbs here and there so humans can have a Sunday roast. :3unsure:
Cannibalism won't be too far off in the future methinks if this is how we behave when not in a survival situation.
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There is a lot of fear at present, but humanity is an ingenious species, ...
Agree on the ingenious, yesterday I learned that we can turn ourselves into real zombies (http://www.btwimho.com/showthread.php?5631-Zombies).
:jaw:

fastreplies
01-12-2011, 11:26 PM
Precious metals won't help you at the end, what you need is a precious piece of land where you and yours can be self sustainable.

LOL, are you talking about 6' under?

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fastreplies
01-12-2011, 11:29 PM
I've been packing away canned goods, rice, pasta.

Hopefully you're not planning move to US. :)

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Strong
02-12-2011, 09:24 AM
I have to say, I've been doing more than obtaining precious metals, Strongy. Sorry.
:)

I've been packing away canned goods, rice, pasta.
And I don't own the land, a friend lives there, but I have a place to go, far away from cities, where I can hunt for food and she has a lot of land that can be used to grow things to eat.
Get yourself a plan. You may never need to use it, but a plan is prudent in these times, methinks.

Preparing for a disaster isn't a bad idea, they come in all shapes and size after all, but are you really going to become one of those survivalists? :sqeek:

There ain't much wilderness/rural Britain left unfortunately, 70 million people on a small island, we just have to get on with each other, there is no other way. Of course Halo is pretty much already a survivalist, after all you have to be to live in Scotland :3tongue:

You know what, sometimes when I play a board game, the game gets to a point where you can't win, hence a reset is often in order in the form of a dropped glass of water or a careless elbow. Perhaps we could do with a reset button in our current civilisation. No doubt it'll be like passing gallstones.

Money ain't the way. Life has to be about more than that. But that said, there are a few things I would miss; internet porn for instance and smiling at the antics of those crazy Japanese and cuckoo clocks, and was that Obama singing with Kermit the frog I saw the other day, classic!

Atom
02-12-2011, 02:06 PM
I have survival skills, the problem is I'm getting too old to implement them. Also the ever present threat of instant radiation of the food/water supply makes me a bit pessimistic to say the least.

Atom
02-12-2011, 02:15 PM
There's nothing more dangerous than a bunch of monkeys with a little knowledge I always say.

Atom
02-12-2011, 02:34 PM
I suppose it's easier to occupy wall street than a crap load of missile sites.

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02-12-2011, 05:24 PM
The Senate late Thursday rejected competing partisan visions for extending
a temporary tax break that benefits virtually every American worker, clearing
the way for more serious negotiations over how to cover the cost of the tax cut.

Payroll tax break: Extension proposals from both parties fail in Senate - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/payroll-tax-break-extension-proposals-from-both-parties-fail-in-senate/2011/12/01/gIQA7POoIO_story.html?wprss=rss_politics)

Well, now it's official, Americans are a bunch of a bona fide IDIOTS.

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Atom
02-12-2011, 05:49 PM
Yeah, those Americans must not have realized that they were voting for the wrong senators. I mean who knew?

Atom
02-12-2011, 06:01 PM
I sometimes wonder if the political system is complex enough, maybe our states could use let's say 6 senators rather than one.

Muddy
02-12-2011, 09:42 PM
Why not? That wouldn't cost us that much more...

Atom
02-12-2011, 09:54 PM
I suppose it might prove to be more chaotic too, I don't know. How about three then?

Atom
02-12-2011, 10:05 PM
And we can have three presidents as well. 3 senators per state, 3 presidents, can't hurt, let's try it.

Atom
02-12-2011, 10:15 PM
Seems strange but I do sometimes wonder if that isn't the way of the future. It just somehow seems more fair, I don't know I could be way off too, there could be implications I've not thought of and likely are.

Atom
02-12-2011, 10:18 PM
So, everyone gets boiled down to basically two choices, lovely.

Atom
02-12-2011, 10:21 PM
I don't know it just seems right to divide up the power more evenly somehow.

Atom
02-12-2011, 10:24 PM
Three presents a majority rules situation so it might be interesting. The duality system may find it's way around it though, I don't know.

fastreplies
02-12-2011, 11:51 PM
And we can have three presidents as well. 3 senators per state, 3 presidents, can't hurt, let's try it.

I have better solution for you... try 9mm... put it in your mouth and blow your brain.

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Atom
02-12-2011, 11:53 PM
I thought you might.

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02-12-2011, 11:56 PM
Seems strange but I do sometimes wonder...

You wonder?.
That's really strange.

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fastreplies
03-12-2011, 12:04 AM
Three presents a majority rules situation so it might be interesting.

Won't happened, you have only 2 holes.

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Atom
03-12-2011, 12:22 AM
I know, you want to talk about taxes, well go ahead then.

Atom
03-12-2011, 12:42 AM
Republicans suck, taxes suck, Americans are idiots .. bla bla bla

Atom
03-12-2011, 12:58 AM
What a dipstick.

Halo
03-12-2011, 01:10 AM
You wonder?.
That's really strange.

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It would be a wonder if Atom did not wonder. His brain (and post count) works 7.8x faster than my own. He was away for a good half a year or so, so his synapses are probably firing even faster than that!




Preparing for a disaster isn't a bad idea, they come in all shapes and size after all, but are you really going to become one of those survivalists? :sqeek:

Those survivalist nutjobs used to look crazy, now it's everyone else who is starting to look crazy. See it as creating your own insurance policy.
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Just think of the recent riots, Strongy. If they had gone on a little longer what would you have run out of? Get yourself some powdered milk and a spare box of Tetley and you'll be fine.




There ain't much wilderness/rural Britain left unfortunately, 70 million people on a small island, we just have to get on with each other, there is no other way. Of course Halo is pretty much already a survivalist, after all you have to be to live in Scotland :3tongue:

I'll be fine. Will just paint my face blue and resort to cannibalism. Those veggies won't know what hit 'em! :sqcool:
I'm almost out of foil blankets. My bundle from last year have almost all been given away to friends and a homeless geezer. PM me your address if you want one sent down London way.

My girlfriend was in a study group and 2 French international students were talking to each other in French giving their opinion on the 'natives' up here and an analysis of every person in the group. They thought we were very hard to understand, likening the language to a French peasant dialect, and saying that almost all Scottish women over the age of 25 seem to be fat, eat chips, kebabs and dress like prostitutes when going out on a night out. She didn't let on that she was born in Belgium, is bilingual and could understand French perfectly. :sqlaugh:



Money ain't the way. Life has to be about more than that

Money might be the way, sound money not subject to inflation and banking shenanigans. But what do I know, I studied art. :sqbiggrin:



I've been packing away canned goods, rice, pasta.
Uh oh. More than 7 days of food? You might be one of THEM.
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Are you missing fingers too?


Any US info on senate bills? Is dictatorship on the horizon?
Prolonged detention
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Indefinite detention bill passes Senate
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Atom
03-12-2011, 02:04 AM
It would be a wonder if Atom did not wonder. His brain (and post count) works 7.8x faster than my own. He was away for a good half a year or so, so his synapses are probably firing even faster than that! (...)Jesus was it that long? Seems like just yesterday. So tell me, do you think that Americans are idiots as well? After all, they did elect the senators that failed to resolve fastreplies' tax issue.

Halo
03-12-2011, 02:28 AM
It might have been longer. Your presence was missed.


So tell me, do you think that Americans are idiots as well?
Yes, but that's just because they are human. We have humans this side of the atlantic too. :3smile:

Atom
03-12-2011, 02:45 AM
Yeah uh, I got a little problem with some retarded mut up in Canada coming in here and stating that Americans are idiots because of some fucking bill in the US senate, know what I mean? And I don't care what the fuck the fucking bill is about, catch my drift? fastreplies can shove that bill right up his ass sideways for all I give a fuck, ya feel me?

Atom
03-12-2011, 03:44 AM
Oh and don't worry, I know all about our boy fastreplies, he likes to use the Americans are idiots flame, I think it's one of his favorites. Problem is, all that does is make him look like an angry fool because it's never backed by reason.

Atom
03-12-2011, 04:10 AM
Kinda reminds me of some fucking militant shouting death to America because it's the only English they know.

Strong
03-12-2011, 01:03 PM
I sometimes wonder if the political system is complex enough, maybe our states could use let's say 6 senators rather than one.


So, everyone gets boiled down to basically two choices, lovely.

Hmmm ...

OK, 6 Senators per state, but they can't be affiliated to either of the current two parties, they have to be independent. I think all that party allegiance crap gets in the way of real thinking. It would sure shake things up a bit.



Jesus was it that long? Seems like just yesterday. So tell me, do you think that Americans are idiots as well? After all, they did elect the senators that failed to resolve fastreplies' tax issue.

Since you asked, (even though you didn't ask me), I think the ultra right, namely the republicans (baring in mind all Americans are on the right of the political spectrum in relation to the rest of the world, even the Democrats would be on the right of the UK's Conservatives), who seem to have been hijacked by the religious right are a phenomenon to be worried about. Some certainly do exhibit some idiotic ideas.

As for normal everyday Americans, I suspect, as Halo points out, they are no different to anybody else in our world; composed of an equal proportion of crazy nut jobs and normal, hard working, go for a drink with in the local pub kinda people. There are certainly Americans I would stay clear of, but then there are certain people in Croydon I would avoid like the plague as well.

I think the problem is that, in terms of the rest of the world, America has a disproportionate amount of power, and being governed by a right wing political elite, can force it's will on much of the rest of us, and as Ferre demonstrates, most of us want to be able to make our own choices and find our own way.

Take the UK for instance; we are in many ways more European than American, yet governments of both persuasion over here have constantly allied themselves with that 'special relationship' with America to our detriment in Europe. Yet our wealth, history, geography and political affiliations are centred in Europe. We effectively have a split personality. And now America is turning it's back on Europe and is looking more towards Asia, Europe looks like it will move towards greater integration and we are left out in the cold, with countries like Sweden and Norway.

Now, how did I get here from there :sqconfused:

OK, I better stop now.

fastreplies
03-12-2011, 01:23 PM
Yeah uh, I got a little problem with some retarded mut up in Canada coming in here

Look who's talking.


and stating that Americans are idiots because of some fucking bill in the US senate,

Not because of bill but because of whom idiots elected as their Senators


know what I mean?

No I don't know.
Hell, nobody knows.
You yourself don't know


And I don't care what the fuck the fucking bill is about,

Exactly my point


catch my drift?

You mean the one in your empty head?


fastreplies can shove that bill right up his ass sideways for all I give a fuck,

You mean the one that Republicans use to fuck your ass?
Well, after they done with your ass there will be nothing for me left to shove


ya feel me?

The question is, how you feel being fucked?

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fastreplies
03-12-2011, 01:31 PM
Oh and don't worry, I know all about our boy fastreplies, he likes to use the Americans are idiots flame, I think it's one of his favorites. Problem is, all that does is make him look like an angry fool because it's never backed by reason.

Makes me angry?
Amazed yes, but angry... nah

But thank you anyway for helping me to make my point.

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Strong
03-12-2011, 01:46 PM
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Just think of the recent riots, Strongy. If they had gone on a little longer what would you have run out of? Get yourself some powdered milk and a spare box of Tetley and you'll be fine.
...

I'm a PG Tips man and I'm strangely accustomed to powdered milk from my time in Mauritius. OK, I will, you've sold me that idea!


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I'll be fine. Will just paint my face blue and resort to cannibalism. Those veggies won't know what hit 'em! :sqcool:
I'm almost out of foil blankets. My bundle from last year have almost all been given away to friends and a homeless geezer. PM me your address if you want one sent down London way.
...

Apparently there is a two for one deal on Amazon presently. I'm hoping I'll be able to pick up a few on the cheap at the London marathon next year. :sqwink:

That one sounds like a good idea too, my heating has been on the dodgy side of reliable for some time. I wonder if they could be turned into the lining of a long water proof jacket. Actually, come to think of it, perhaps one of those jackets the Inuit use would be a good investment, I'm concerned about global temperatures as well, might as well plan for two birds as it were.


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Money might be the way, sound money not subject to inflation and banking shenanigans. But what do I know, I studied art. :sqbiggrin:
...


OK, you can print your own then.


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Are you missing fingers too?
...

Hmmm... at last the Americans are seeing the other side of extraordinary rendition. Ain't such a good idea when you and yours are on the receiving end. And Obama still hasn't got rid of Guantanamo, first thing he was going to do wasn't it, and he wants a second term, what for, to do more nothing. I shouldn't, better the Devil you know.

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03-12-2011, 01:51 PM
As for normal everyday Americans, I suspect, as Halo points out, they are no different to anybody else in our world; composed of an equal proportion of crazy nut jobs and normal, hard working, go for a drink with in the local pub kinda people. There are certainly Americans I would stay clear of, but then there are certain people in Croydon I would avoid like the plague as well.

Respectfully, I disagree with you because "normal" people (Tea Party)
do not vote against their own interests and another group that too
fucking lazy to go to vote to protect their own survival.

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Atom
03-12-2011, 01:51 PM
Makes me angry?
Amazed yes, but angry... nah

But thank you anyway for helping me to make my point.

fastrepliesYou're welcome, and I'm glad you're not angry.

BTW buddy, you've used that 9mm line on me and others in the past, you should change it up a bit each time.

Strong
03-12-2011, 01:52 PM
I find Atom to be one of the smarter Americans on the whole.

Strong
03-12-2011, 01:55 PM
Respectfully, I disagree with you because "normal" people (Tea Party)
do not vote against their own interests and another group that too
fucking lazy to go to vote to protect their own survival.

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Surely that depends on what they see as their own interests?

People can be altruistic.

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03-12-2011, 02:06 PM
And Obama still hasn't got rid of Guantanamo, first thing he was going to do wasn't it, and he wants a second term, what for, to do more nothing. I shouldn't, better the Devil you know.

So, what are you suggesting Newt, Mitt, Bachmann so they can turn
whole America in to Guantanamo for their own compadres?

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Strong
03-12-2011, 02:10 PM
I'm suggesting that Americans can make their own minds up who leads them into the future.

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03-12-2011, 02:12 PM
Surely that depends on what they see as their own interests?

Well, how about "Obamacare"?
Or, latest Senate bill to give tax break to working families (including members of TP).

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03-12-2011, 02:15 PM
I'm suggesting that Americans can make their own minds up who leads them into the future.

Are you kidding me?
They tried that in 2010 and look what happened.

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ewomack
05-12-2011, 05:45 AM
Ben Franklin wanted a rotating executive committee rather than a single president - which apparently reeked too much of monarchy for him. But the monarchists won in the Constitutional Convention and we instead have an administration that rotates every 4 or 8 years (though originally had no limits), which gives them just enough time to worry about being re-elected and not enough time to care about long term policy impact. But I don't think long term policy impact ever really mattered in the US from a political perspective. Policies are only as robust as the current governing body.

Zap
05-12-2011, 07:13 AM
@fastreplies: Your villification of all Americans because of what their elected representatives do is proof of your lack of understanding of how their system of government works.
You see... their system of government works a lot like ours. They elect someone, and then that someone does whatever the fuck they want for 4 years and is not answerable to the public for the entire 4 year term.

It would behoove you to keep this in mind when attempting to make Americans look dumb. It really only makes you look uninformed and quick to judgement.

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05-12-2011, 12:22 PM
It would behoove you to keep this in mind when attempting to make Americans look dumb.

LMFAO... me attempting?
Do I even have to or even if I try, will I do better than they are doing that themselves?
Is the rest of the World has been attempting to paint them as dumb too?

So, what would you call people who don’t want to be helped not because they don’t need to be
helped but simply because they hate black person who wants to do that for them?

What would you call people who rather to ruin their country than legislate job bills that would put
people to work not because Obama’s bills excessive but simply because they want him to fail?

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Zap
06-12-2011, 07:20 AM
LMFAO... me attempting?
Do I even have to or even if I try, will I do better than they are doing that themselves?
You need to learn to separate politicians from citizens.


Is the rest of the World has been attempting to paint them as dumb too?
There are some throughout the rest of the world who also lack logic and deductive reasoning. Your point?


So, what would you call people who don’t want to be helped not because they don’t need to be
helped but simply because they hate black person who wants to do that for them?
I would probably say they were racist, but who the hell are you talking about? All Americans? Are all Americans racist?


What would you call people who rather to ruin their country than legislate job bills that would put
people to work not because Obama’s bills excessive but simply because they want him to fail?
Career Republicans.
Again, you fail to see any difference between politicians and citizens.

You need to broaden your horizons a little bit, fr.
Do you think us Canadians who elect politicians who want to spy on us with new legislation are any better?
Following your lack of logic... If you think Americans are so dumb, what does that make us Canadians who are lead by a wanna-be American PM?

Just stop and think for a second, fr.
Does your elected government do everything you want it to do?
What makes you think it's different in the US?

And from now on... I'd really appreciate it if you would refrain from using insults.
1. It's unnecessarily rude.
2. It makes your point look weak.

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06-12-2011, 08:14 PM
"Make-or-break moment for the middle class and all those working to join it"
Barack Obama

It couldn't come soon enough
Presidential Remarks on the Economy - C-SPAN Video Library (http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/PresidentialRemarksontheEconomy7)
Osawatomie, Kansas Speech Video: Dec. 6, 2011

If this is not a call to all Americans, Republicans and Democrats alike to wake up,
get off their asses and stop being ignorant, impotent deaf and dumb by President
of USA himself, then I don't know what is.

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Zap
07-12-2011, 07:34 AM
"Make-or-break moment for the middle class and all those working to join it"
Barack Obama

It couldn't come soon enough
Presidential Remarks on the Economy - C-SPAN Video Library (http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/PresidentialRemarksontheEconomy7)
Osawatomie, Kansas Speech Video: Dec. 6, 2011

If this is not a call to all Americans, Republicans and Democrats alike to wake up,
get off their asses and stop being ignorant, impotent deaf and dumb by President
of USA himself, then I don't know what is.

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Let me help you to understand a little better, fr.
The USA has a two party system but that is only on the surface.
The two parties are constantly at each other's throats but that is only to keep up the illusion of choice in the USA.
In reality, BOTH parties are owned by the same shadow government (controlled by the wealthiest of the wealthy) and it doesn't matter if a Republican is president or a Democrat... The same agenda is pushed through.

Ordinary hard working Americans are powerless to end that system because they lack the political clout and the knowledge of how to break the cycle.
And it will continue that way for the forseeable future because the politicians (controlled by corporations) make the rules.

And if you think things here in Canada are totally different, think again!

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The Americans aren't any dumber than we are. They are just equally powerless to stop the madness.

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07-12-2011, 08:55 PM
Here we go again, "money talk" argument.
I wonder, how much money American voters get paid to be ignorant,
to stay home bitching about "bad politicians" they had end up with?

Talking about bitching.
When last time you have got your family around your kitchen table
to discuss how you will pay your medical bills or better yet, to leave
Canada all together and to move to US for better life?

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Zap
08-12-2011, 07:30 AM
Here we go again, "money talk" argument.
I wonder, how much money American voters get paid to be ignorant,
to stay home bitching about "bad politicians" they had end up with?

Talking about bitching.
When last time you have got your family around your kitchen table
to discuss how you will pay your medical bills or better yet, to leave
Canada all together and to move to US for better life?

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Never. Canada is my home and as tough as life is here, I wouldn't trade it for an American life.
It's not in the cards for me.

To your other point, voter turnout in Canada ain't so shit hot, either.

And I think you're missing the point. A lot of people don't vote or participate in the political process because they see it as broken beyond repair.

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09-12-2011, 04:09 PM
And I think you're missing the point.

I'm missing the point? You're joking, right?


A lot of people don't vote or participate in the political process because they see it as broken beyond repair.

This is exactly my point.
I don't know what you're calling them but I call them idiots and for me only
people who are participating in process have right to bitch about outcomes.

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Halo
10-12-2011, 02:54 AM
I don't know what you're calling them but I call them idiots and for me only
people who are participating in process have right to bitch about outcomes.

Some people argue the exact opposite, saying it's those that participated in the election process who have no right to bitch; "if you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people and they get into office and screw everything up, then you are responsible for everything they have done..."
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I feel a bit responsible for helping in to office a dishonest MP who said he would never join a Tory govt, and then did exactly that.
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10-12-2011, 12:32 PM
Some people argue the exact opposite, saying it's those that participated in the election process who have no right to bitch

Agree.. you get what you paid for.

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Strong
10-12-2011, 12:40 PM
Clegg and his ilk must be so very depressed today!

I think I'm gonna give up voting too. I voted for the Lib Dems last time, cos I didn't want the conservatives to win, but didn't think labour credible. The current crop of politicians have disenfranchised me, they are all so fucking useless that it is my public duty not to vote. But you can bet I'm gonna be bitching and whining about it!

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11-12-2011, 05:51 PM
The current crop of politicians have disenfranchised me, they are all so fucking useless that it is my public duty not to vote. But you can bet I'm gonna be bitching and whining about it!

And that is exactly what G.C. is “joking” about. People who are staying home
and jerking off themselves are the one who has been complaining the most.

Where were 99% 2 years ago when Tea Party has started its movement or
1 year ago on Election Day? Well, as G.C. said, they were sitting home spewing comes
all over their TV sets and now when it’s too late went on the streets to bitch about
injustice they had allow to happen in a first place.

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Zap
12-12-2011, 06:44 AM
Clegg and his ilk must be so very depressed today!

I think I'm gonna give up voting too. I voted for the Lib Dems last time, cos I didn't want the conservatives to win, but didn't think labour credible. The current crop of politicians have disenfranchised me, they are all so fucking useless that it is my public duty not to vote. But you can bet I'm gonna be bitching and whining about it!

I've also been raised with respect for democracy and the voting process.
I take my right (and duty) to vote seriously.

However, there is a way to satisfy those who feel a duty to their fellow countrymen as well as those who don't want to vote for another corrupt politician here in Canada.
Perhaps you have the same option in the UK?

We can register to vote, take our voting card to the polling station on voting day, trade it for a ballot that we, then, refuse to vote with.
Declining a ballot.

You've let the government know that voting is important to you and separated yourself from those who are just too lazy to go and vote, yet you've also let them know that you feel there's nobody worthy of your vote.

pctec
12-12-2011, 07:21 AM
I have voted in the past but no more. All politicians are full of crap and every vote cast puts $2 of our money in their pockets. It doesn't matter who you vote for because whats said leading up to the election is simply lip service and everyone knows it. Anyone who believes we live in a majority rules country is sadly mistaken. Harper's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_2011) majority government without a majority vote (39.6%) should be absolute proof of that.

Just for the record, I never voted for that swine in any election.

Oh and BTW, I do have the right to bitch no matter if I voted or not and do so...
Bitching is one of the few rights we have left so you all better hang on to it like your lives depend on it.

Zap
12-12-2011, 07:23 AM
I have voted in the past but no more. All politicians are full of crap and every vote cast puts $2 of our money in their pockets. It doesn't matter who you vote for because whats said leading up to the election is simply lip service and everyone knows it. Anyone who believes we live in a majority rules country is sadly mistaken. Harper's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_2011) majority government without a majority vote (39.6%) should be absolute proof of that.

Just for the record, I never voted for that swine in any election.

Oh and BTW, I do have the right to bitch no matter if I voted or not and do so...
Bitching is one of the few rights we have left so you all better hang on to it like your lives depend on it.

I liked Harper much better when he had a minority govt.

pctec
12-12-2011, 07:24 AM
I liked him much better when he was a blowhard with no power...

Zap
12-12-2011, 08:30 AM
I liked him much better when he was a blowhard with no power...

That's what I said. :sqwink: :sqbiggrin:

It's too bad we can't have a check box on the ballot that says "Minority Government".
They do an awful lot less damage.

Atom
12-12-2011, 09:07 AM
I suppose if we all stopped voting we'd have to come up with a better way in short order, or maybe not, I don't know. I'm thinking it would probably be best to have a plan in place first if possible.

Atom
12-12-2011, 09:11 AM
A collective plan, one that made enough sense where most would jump on board to ensure the shift.

Atom
12-12-2011, 09:31 AM
I don't really have a mind for this political stuff frankly, I honestly should not even be posting in the politics forum, maybe I feel left out and just need to throw in my two cents of wild speculation.

Zap
12-12-2011, 09:32 AM
The problem with most people not voting is that a small minority of people decide which government we all get.

Atom
12-12-2011, 09:40 AM
The problem with most people not voting is that a small minority of people decide which government we all get.Right and I was thinking for example if somehow enough people could be convinced to shift to an independent for example, then it may work, but that independent would need to offer a radically different plan that would be comfortable enough for a majority to shift to and that may not be easy as the current system is well engrained it seems.

Halo
12-12-2011, 09:44 AM
The times they are a changing.

What I hear from a lot of people these days is that they are working so much but not getting all their work done/ trying to make money to feed their family/ pay their mortgage or rent etc, that they don't even want to think about political shenanigans going on in the world. Maybe that's why I see so much guff written on facebook about jumped up karaoke singers with talent apparently. The idea of people being wage slaves needing diversions for entertainment sounds a bit sci-fi, but I happened across this excerpt from They Thought They Were Free by Milton Mayer (http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html), and found some of it eerily similar, and pretty damn chilling.



"Those," I said, "are the words of my friend the baker. ‘One had no time to think. There was so much going on.’"

"Your friend the baker was right," said my colleague. "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

Zap
12-12-2011, 09:51 AM
Indeed, Halo!

And to that, I would add this little video...

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Atom
12-12-2011, 10:11 AM
So if a majority of people could be convinced to make a political shift to an independent let's say with a plan to dissolve the duality system in favor of their radical new better plan, non-voters may start voting, traditional dems/reps may abandon the duality system, and suddenly you have a new majority that can change everything in one election before a sudden increase of non voters has a chance to build and allow a minority to make the decisions.

Atom
12-12-2011, 11:07 AM
So where are we going to find an independent with a radically new plan acceptable to the conditioned masses? I don't know, I personally haven't seen anyone yet step up and offer this elusive real change for the better. Who ever it is if ever they are they'll need a lot of guts with that great plan I'm sure, they'll probably be dodging bullets from the current power elite if a miracle took place and they did happen to win.

Zap
12-12-2011, 11:20 AM
So where are we going to find an independent with a radically new plan acceptable to the conditioned masses? I don't know, I personally haven't seen anyone yet step up and offer this elusive real change for the better. Who ever it is if ever they are they'll need a lot of guts with that great plan I'm sure, they'll probably be dodging bullets from the current power elite if a miracle took place and they did happen to win.

I think Ron Paul is the closest thing you've got.

Atom
12-12-2011, 11:23 AM
I think Ron Paul is the closest thing you've got.I agree, but I'm still skeptical, after all he does wear a suit and tie.

Atom
12-12-2011, 11:34 AM
I figure that is evidence of status quo conditioning and adherence.

Halo
12-12-2011, 11:41 AM
I agree, but I'm still skeptical, after all he does wear a suit and tie.


I figure that is evidence of status quo conditioning and adherence.

Absolutely. The matrix has us. :3biggrin:
1948




Clegg Says Coalition Breakup Would Be ‘Disaster’ as Cameron Faces Dissent (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-11/clegg-says-u-k-coalition-breakup-over-eu-would-cause-economic-disaster-.html)

Yay, go rift!

Atom
12-12-2011, 03:03 PM
The Venus Project (http://www.thevenusproject.com/)

I read this site a while back but see it's changed, I'll have to read it again. I've forgotten what I eventually concluded about this project, I think I asked Ferre's opinion too but I can't remember what he thought of it either.

Atom
12-12-2011, 03:26 PM
My8XFjkfi8A

Zap
13-12-2011, 07:18 AM
My8XFjkfi8A

"Weakend" leaders?

Did they mean weakened leaders or weekend leaders? LOL!
Weekend leaders are those who drank the most beer between Friday night and Sunday night.

Cryren8972
14-12-2011, 10:20 AM
I actually agree with Ferre on this one. Money isn't going to mean anything, no matter what form, if there is a collapse. We need to be able to grow our own food.

Strong
14-12-2011, 12:04 PM
And that is exactly what G.C. is “joking” about. People who are staying home
and jerking off themselves are the one who has been complaining the most.

Where were 99% 2 years ago when Tea Party has started its movement or
1 year ago on Election Day? Well, as G.C. said, they were sitting home spewing comes
all over their TV sets and now when it’s too late went on the streets to bitch about
injustice they had allow to happen in a first place.

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I don't get what you are trying to say dude :sqconfused:

Are you saying people shouldn't complain if they see what their politicians are doing is wrong?

Or are you saying people shouldn't complain if they voted for the politicians in power?

Or are you saying people shouldn't complain if they voted?

Or are you saying people shouldn't complain if they voted for the losing politicians?

Surely, it is our inalienable right to complain if we so wish, whether we voted or not. Isn't that what free speech is about?




I've also been raised with respect for democracy and the voting process.
I take my right (and duty) to vote seriously.

However, there is a way to satisfy those who feel a duty to their fellow countrymen as well as those who don't want to vote for another corrupt politician here in Canada.
Perhaps you have the same option in the UK?

We can register to vote, take our voting card to the polling station on voting day, trade it for a ballot that we, then, refuse to vote with.
Declining a ballot.

You've let the government know that voting is important to you and separated yourself from those who are just too lazy to go and vote, yet you've also let them know that you feel there's nobody worthy of your vote.

You raise an interesting point, and their in resides my problem.

I suspect that not using the voting form would just go down as another spoilt ballot paper and counted as such. Thus your earnest, intelligent and thoughtful and indeed thought provoking intent would be lumped in with the fools who can't put and 'X' in one box alone; spoilt ballot. Therefore your message to the political elite would be lost in the reshuffle of ballot papers. At least in this country that seems to be the way it works.

There was a move in the not too distant past for the electorate to show their displeasure by marking ballot papers in a specific way, but enquiries with the Electoral Commission (the organisation responsible to ensure fair and just elections in the UK) indicated any miss use of a ballot paper would be counted as a spoilt ballot paper and duly ignored.

The thinking was then that if the movement to deliberately spoil your ballot paper was large enough, the numbers would be such that it would stand out from the statistical norm and thus represent the intention of the movement, which was of course to indicate it's disaffection with the current crop of politicians. But I think most people fell asleep before finishing the related articles and thus never got the gist of the thing. That's the problem with the disaffected, they have a short span of attention. I blame the frequency of TV advertisements myself. Can you believe that when I was growing up an hour long TV drama was nearer 55 minutes with commercials, and now American shows can be as little as 42 minutes long. Damn!

Now, what were we talking about? :sqconfused:

Strong
14-12-2011, 12:09 PM
I have voted in the past but no more. All politicians are full of crap and every vote cast puts $2 of our money in their pockets. It doesn't matter who you vote for because whats said leading up to the election is simply lip service and everyone knows it. Anyone who believes we live in a majority rules country is sadly mistaken. Harper's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_2011) majority government without a majority vote (39.6%) should be absolute proof of that.

Just for the record, I never voted for that swine in any election.

Oh and BTW, I do have the right to bitch no matter if I voted or not and do so...
Bitching is one of the few rights we have left so you all better hang on to it like your lives depend on it.


I liked Harper much better when he had a minority govt.

What are you Canadians doing! Kyoto! Fraking Shale gas! I thought you guys were one of the more sensible nations in the world.

Strong
14-12-2011, 12:16 PM
A collective plan, one that made enough sense where most would jump on board to ensure the shift.

I find it hard enough to agree with myself over what to have for lunch, are you really thinking you could get a majority of the seven (7) billion people on this Griffin given world to move in the same direction?

Stephen Hawkins got it right, we have 99 years left. The only way for humanity to survive is for us to get a sizeable population into space; space stations, moon bases, whatever it takes. Of course they would need to be self-sufficient in food, water and natural resources. So that basically means we are fucked.

Atom
14-12-2011, 12:28 PM
I find it hard enough to agree with myself over what to have for lunch, are you really thinking you could get a majority of the seven (7) billion people on this Griffin given world to move in the same direction?

Stephen Hawkins got it right, we have 99 years left. The only way for humanity to survive is for us to get a sizeable population into space; space stations, moon bases, whatever it takes. Of course they would need to be self-sufficient in food, water and natural resources. So that basically means we are fucked.No, I was referring to just the US, but no matter how I speculate my thoughts seem to always end up at a NWO fix.

Atom
14-12-2011, 12:39 PM
Frankly, a new world order is the only possible solution to getting this nuclear weapons thing under control that I can think of.

Strong
14-12-2011, 12:49 PM
Nope. Pakistan got it, speculation is 'they' have been helping a number of middle eastern governments in obtaining the technology required to develop their own. North Korea can't be touched because the Americans are in hock to the Chinese. The world is gonna be full of iffy nations with nuclear arms. I'm surprised that terrorists haven't got a hold of spent radioactive material from Russia to be honest. It ain't a new world order we need, it's a new world. Kepla he we come.

Atom
14-12-2011, 01:01 PM
Nope. Pakistan got it, speculation is 'they' have been helping a number of middle eastern governments in obtaining the technology required to develop their own. North Korea can't be touched because the Americans are in hock to the Chinese. The world is gonna be full of iffy nations with nuclear arms. I'm surprised that terrorists haven't got a hold of spent radioactive material from Russia to be honest. It ain't a new world order we need, it's a new world. Kepla he we come.What if a NWO emerged that dismantled all the nuke weapons sites in the world? Even if the NWO just kept a handful for themselves, I think this may be a good thing, the bad thing is the NWO would become the global police, a necessary evil I suspect.

Strong
14-12-2011, 01:14 PM
The cold war ended, who got rid of their nukes?

Once it is here, it is here to stay, and the more that have them the more likely they will be used in anger by some crazed fool of a politician. They will be used again, just as they were first used, to make a point, namely, 'that we can'.

Atom
14-12-2011, 01:24 PM
The question is, how do you get all nations to agree and submit to control by a NWO so that a NWO can even be formed?

Atom
14-12-2011, 01:31 PM
If one could be formed then a goal of dismantlement of most sites could be accomplished.

Atom
14-12-2011, 01:32 PM
It's not a nice scenario, but I fear something like that may be civilization's only hope.

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14-12-2011, 01:53 PM
I don't get what you are trying to say dude :sqconfused:

Are you saying people shouldn't complain if they see what their politicians are doing is wrong?

Or are you saying people shouldn't complain if they voted for the politicians in power?

Or are you saying people shouldn't complain if they voted?

Or are you saying people shouldn't complain if they voted for the losing politicians?

Surely, it is our inalienable right to complain if we so wish, whether we voted or not. Isn't that what free speech is about?

I'm talking about apathy that resulted in the worth Congress in the history of America.
I'm talking about allowing some bunch of cocksucking cockroaches to decide nation's well-being.
I'm talking about people who surely should complain and blame... themselves for the outcome.

I disagree with Zap because not all politicians the same.
Yes both parties are bought and sold but at least Democrats now and then are trying to give
something back to people and the best example of that is Canada. Where would be Canada today
if Canadians wouldn't voted for Liberals? I tell you where, with Conservative majority, I'm sure Zap
and I hate to see in the power because we both know what that means.

Should we blame Politicians for an outcome of our last election?
Of course not because Zap neither did I and millions of others never bothered to vote in that election
and if you think we should blame others because of our own apathy, then think again.

BTW, what free speech are you talking about because all I can hear is senseless yapping?

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Cryren8972
14-12-2011, 02:08 PM
May I point out that "senseless yapping" actually falls well within free speech perimeters? =)

pctec
14-12-2011, 09:38 PM
Fraking Shale gas! I thought you guys were one of the more sensible nations in the world.

We are, but politicians are universally full of crap and the almighty dollar speaks louder than voters :)
Remember, politicians have their fat pensions to think of...

Zap
15-12-2011, 07:22 AM
I suspect that not using the voting form would just go down as another spoilt ballot paper and counted as such. Thus your earnest, intelligent and thoughtful and indeed thought provoking intent would be lumped in with the fools who can't put and 'X' in one box alone; spoilt ballot. Therefore your message to the political elite would be lost in the reshuffle of ballot papers. At least in this country that seems to be the way it works.

Not here. A spoiled ballot is counted as spoiled, while one that is officially declined is not spoiled, but declined.
Because we count spoiled ballots, and I don't make a single mark on mine, it can not be counted as spoiled.
It must be counted as declined.

Atom
15-12-2011, 11:11 AM
Michael: you idiot

Darryl: start over

Halo
15-12-2011, 12:04 PM
Politicans...hmmmmm.
:sqmad:
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Cryren8972
15-12-2011, 12:37 PM
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the current president. I didn't vote for him, but rather against him. According to the rules I've seen laid out, I think that means I have the right to complain. Although I'm not entirely sure, so I will leave it at this. I'm not a fan.

Ferre
16-12-2011, 03:56 AM
The problem that causes America to get saddled up with corrupted and often incompetent politicians can be found within the American election and campaign system. American politicians are guaranteed to be bought and paid for as soon as they become "electable" for the simple reason that the amounts of money it costs to get into an electable position and compete with the other bought-and-paid-for politicians comes from "donations".

As soon as the American people put a system in place where campaign money is limited and corporate donations to politicians become outlawed maybe a different kind of politician will emerge.

Atom
16-12-2011, 03:04 PM
I wonder what it would take to get the donation rules changed.

Halo
16-12-2011, 06:44 PM
I wonder what it would take to get the donation rules changed.

Probably a bribe. :3rolleyes:

Atom
16-12-2011, 07:24 PM
Say for example if the goal was to eliminate donations altogether, how do you get a majority of congress in the white house to change a rule that benefits them? I'm afraid I don't have the political mind to work out the mechanics of what would actually have to happen to change these rules, I think they're stuck in the constitution somewhere.

Atom
16-12-2011, 07:54 PM
Apparently it's a judicial matter, so how do you elect a president that will select judges that will vote to eliminate campaign donations I guess is the question, also, if donations are eliminated then won't only wealthy candidates win?

Atom
16-12-2011, 08:22 PM
If I'm not mistaken aren't supreme court judges selected by the presidents?

I'm not qualified to figure this donations problem out, I'm not even familiar with the system. Some people have it memorized, I would actually be near the opposite end of that spectrum.

Atom
16-12-2011, 09:28 PM
I guess the question is why allow donations? Maybe they're seen as a way to close a potential rich candidate gap.

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17-12-2011, 04:07 PM
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the current president. I didn't vote for him, but rather against him. According to the rules I've seen laid out, I think that means I have the right to complain.

Sure you have right to complain, but... if I may, complain about what?

Can you give me some examples of what is your problem with Obama's Presidency?

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fastreplies
17-12-2011, 04:24 PM
As soon as the American people put a system in place where campaign money is limited and corporate donations to politicians become outlawed maybe a different kind of politician will emerge.

Good point.
American people had system in place based on brainpower but chose to dismiss it
for some reason and instead decided to let money to do the talking. All they have
to do now, is stop following the money and go back to times when they were listening
to what people have to say.

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Cryren8972
17-12-2011, 04:33 PM
Sure you have right to complain, but... if I may, complain about what?

Can you give me some examples of what is your problem with Obama's Presidency?

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It would be easier to tell you what I've liked about the Obama Presidency. There are many and more things that I haven't liked. Has nothing to do with him being Democrat, or him as a person at all. I don't like his health care plan, luckily for us, it hasn't gone through in it's original state. His job plan, if you really get into it, has been a failure compared to other job plans proposed and put into practice by past presidents. The list goes on. Maybe if you tell me what you LIKE about him, I could be convinced. :sqwink:

Halo
18-12-2011, 02:56 AM
Can you give me some examples of what is your problem with Obama's Presidency?

http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4edfce5b69beddff02000014/corzine-obama.png

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18-12-2011, 02:44 PM
Saudi King: I hope my camel won't get jealous

1951

Saudi King: Let me show you my bedroom George

1952

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18-12-2011, 03:26 PM
I don't like his health care plan, luckily for us, it hasn't gone through in it's original state.

So you don't like to see every American including children and 40 millions who can't afford to pay
to Insurance company exuberant fees get coverage now. How about $540.00 per person Obama's plan
saved tax payers as of now?

Yes my man, you are lucky... lucky because you have no idea how unlucky you are.


His job plan, if you really get into it, has been a failure compared to other job plans proposed and put into practice by past presidents. The list goes on.

Past presidents, eh?

You mean like the one that was put in place by GB in 2003 that ended up in 8 millions unemployed
as of 2008?

And how do you know that Job Act Obama proposed in September wouldn't work?
Silly me for asking, you heard that on FOX news of course.


Maybe if you tell me what you LIKE about him, I could be convinced.

What I like about him? Nothing in particular, but I like what he is trying to do for YOUR America.

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Muddy
18-12-2011, 03:28 PM
JFTR, Cry is a woman. A rather lovely one too.

Zap
19-12-2011, 06:39 AM
@fastreplies: Do you honestly NOT see how Obama is just as much a puppet of the elite as GWB was?

Appointing a Monsanto CEO to the FDA? Really?
If that's not a conflict of interest, then there is no such thing.

Building an extensive set of FEMA internment camps? Really?
All for the protection of Americans, I'm sure. :sqwink:

Bailing out the banks with (what is now reported to be) trillions of dollars? Really?
That benefitted the average American directly, how?

Cryren8972
19-12-2011, 08:05 AM
@ fastreplies. First off, he's FORCING coverage. If you can't afford it, oops. It's like car insurance, you HAVE to get it. He's not offering Americans free coverage, he's offering a plan that allows you to buy at a lower cost. Which poor people still can't afford, but hey, they are the government, and they can take it out of your pay check. He's decided to hand out a little extra tax money to help with the cost of health care for people that can't afford it, where do you think that's coming from? Your employer...and if you read further, it's coming out of their PAYROLL. Um, which means your raise just went out the window. Yanno, actually READ his plans before you defend him. That's what's made me angry through his entire campaign and presidency, no one is taking the time to actually see what he's doing. You just turn on the tube and listen to him spew propaganda. Everyone sat up and screamed when he decided to let immigrants hang around without recourse...even the illegal ones that were here because they committed crimes in their country. Had they taken the time to READ his immigration bill, that was his agenda the entire time. So no, I don't get my ideas from FOX, I get them from actually READING his proposed bills...maybe you should do the same. Then we can sit down and have a chat. =)

Cryren8972
19-12-2011, 08:17 AM
Check this out: Details of Obamas Health Care Plan | Swampland | TIME.com (http://swampland.time.com/2010/02/22/details-of-obamas-health-care-plan/)

And make sure to read the paragraph titled: "Imposes higher fees on individuals and employers who go without insurance"

Cryren8972
19-12-2011, 08:22 AM
Job plan: And this is from someone who WANTED to like the plan. Obama's Job Plan: A Never-Never Bill - Megan McArdle - Business - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/09/obamas-job-plan-a-never-never-bill/244966/)

And when I was speaking of past presidents, I meant Roosevelt, who created jobs for 4.2 million Americans, in 6 months. Wait? How many has Obama put to work? The Jobs Crisis: What Did Roosevelt Do That Obama Should? | Truthout (http://www.truth-out.org/jobs-crisis-and-new-new-deal-america/1321046261)

Here is more on what Zap is talking about: Keep The Change: 20 Ways That The U.S. Economy Has Gotten Worse Since Barack Obama Became President (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/keep-the-change-20-ways-that-the-u-s-economy-has-gotten-worse-since-barack-obama-became-president)

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20-12-2011, 01:06 PM
@fastreplies: Do you honestly NOT see how Obama is just as much a puppet of the elite as GWB was?

I 'd already said, politicians on both sides are bought and sold.
What else you want me to say... for how much?

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20-12-2011, 01:09 PM
@Cryren8972

I see, there are more sources of “talking points” in your arsenal than FOX News alone.

I surprised you forgot to mention “Obama’s failure” in Egypt, Libya and of course
the biggest of them all in Iraq.

I tell you what. As of now, you have had already elected Democratic House,
Senate and of course Obama and at this point it just a matter of 12 months
before America learn who are real “job creators”.

Keep going my friend, keep going.


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20-12-2011, 01:39 PM
@Cryren8972

You do know that original ObamaCare was situated by Heritage Foundation
D. Brad Wright: Did the Heritage Foundation Invent ObamaCare? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/d-brad-wright/did-the-heritage-foundati_b_551804.html)

How about that?
Republicans Were For Obama's Health Insurance Rule Before They Were Against It (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/27/republicans-were-for-obam_n_515743.html)

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Halo
20-12-2011, 02:54 PM
As much as Ron Paul seems like the obvious choice to not fuck things up as much as all the others, a quote from Fight Club came to mind, but with a couple of changes:


Tyler Durden: We're a generation of men raised by women politicians. I'm wondering if another woman politician is really the answer we need.

Cryren8972
20-12-2011, 09:27 PM
@Cryren8972

You do know that original ObamaCare was situated by Heritage Foundation
D. Brad Wright: Did the Heritage Foundation Invent ObamaCare? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/d-brad-wright/did-the-heritage-foundati_b_551804.html)

How about that?


Republicans Were For Obama's Health Insurance Rule Before They Were Against It (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/27/republicans-were-for-obam_n_515743.html)


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I don't care who backed the health care plan. It reeks. As for the first link, if you really read it, you'll see that you actually kind of didn't prove the point you were trying to make. But I digress...you love Obama, I don't. I've learned when it comes to religion and politics, I can talk until I'm blue in the face, but I'll never come any closer to getting someone to change their mind.

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21-12-2011, 08:22 PM
But I digress...you love Obama, I don't.

Hmmmm.... do I love Obama?
No, but I adore the guy.
I can get enough watching him bending down Republicans, make them
spread ass cheeks and beg for his black cock to fuck them as hard as he can.

Talking about facial features.
Try to use facts and you will never have blue face.

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Cryren8972
22-12-2011, 05:25 AM
I give up.

Cryren8972
22-12-2011, 05:25 AM
You're arguments are clearly superior to mine. :sqconfused:

Zap
22-12-2011, 06:53 AM
You're arguments are clearly superior to mine. :sqconfused:

Once he pulled out the "black cock", you had to know you were done for. :sqerr:

There is no logic that can STAND UP to the black cock theory.

Atom
22-12-2011, 07:08 AM
When I first moved to TN I cut a rooster out of plywood, painted it black and mounted it atop the mailbox. Some redneck eventually came along and smashed it with a beer bottle.

Atom
22-12-2011, 07:18 AM
That's ok though, you ever tried to mount a black rooster atop a mailbox? That's an experience I don't want to go through again.

Zap
22-12-2011, 07:21 AM
That's ok though, you ever tried to mount a black rooster atop a mailbox? That's an experience I don't want to go through again.

Mounting a black cock?

Atom
22-12-2011, 07:26 AM
Mounting a black cock?Yeah, I tried screwing it but it didn't work, ended up having to put the bolt to it.

Zap
22-12-2011, 07:30 AM
Yeah, I tried screwing it but it didn't work, ended up having to put the bolt to it.

Sounds bloody painful!

Atom
22-12-2011, 07:37 AM
Sounds bloody painful!Nah it wasn't too bad, I used some WD-40.

Atom
22-12-2011, 07:47 AM
True story BTW, I even drilled a hole for the eye and stuck a marble in it. I think it was my neighbor's ex-friend that did it, a definite red to the neck on that one, a real humdinger.

Halo
22-12-2011, 08:10 AM
V4YlDkCIoIs

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22-12-2011, 12:21 PM
You're arguments are clearly superior to mine.

Arguments?
Well, you call them arguments, I call them facts as far as I can see.
It's only matter of time (11 months) before you'll see them too.

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22-12-2011, 12:26 PM
Some redneck eventually came along and smashed it with a beer bottle.

Are you sure it was redneck?
Rednecks usually use shotguns.

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Strong
22-12-2011, 12:53 PM
The question is, how do you get all nations to agree and submit to control by a NWO so that a NWO can even be formed?


If one could be formed then a goal of dismantlement of most sites could be accomplished.


It's not a nice scenario, but I fear something like that may be civilization's only hope.

Impossible I say. You are asking for consensus at the United Nations for Beyonce's sake! I can't be done. It is impossible for such a large group of disparate nations with their own vested interests to act altruisticly. You might as well ask all men to become celibate! (As an aside; I think it is possible to ask all women to become celibate and achieve a result, but they are spiteful!).

OK!!! You want a way. There is a way. An imperfect way, but a slim chance of a way. You need an external threat that can unite all in a fight for survival that leaves everybody in no doubt that the only way to survive is through enlightened co-operation. I'm talking alien invasion, Earth destroying asteroid, Armageddon killer virus type visible, incontrovertible threat. (I got that one from an old sci-fi book I read many, many years ago; it wasn't my idea, but hey, it might be the binding force required to bring us all together and keep us from factionalising again. (I'm not even sure that is a word, this dictionary in firefox just ain't up to my desired vocabulary).)

I'm sticking with Hawkin's idea, we need to get off this ball of shit ASAP!!!

Atom
22-12-2011, 05:25 PM
Impossible I say. You are asking for consensus at the United Nations for Beyonce's sake! I can't be done. It is impossible for such a large group of disparate nations with their own vested interests to act altruisticly. You might as well ask all men to become celibate! (As an aside; I think it is possible to ask all women to become celibate and achieve a result, but they are spiteful!).

OK!!! You want a way. There is a way. An imperfect way, but a slim chance of a way. You need an external threat that can unite all in a fight for survival that leaves everybody in no doubt that the only way to survive is through enlightened co-operation. I'm talking alien invasion, Earth destroying asteroid, Armageddon killer virus type visible, incontrovertible threat. (I got that one from an old sci-fi book I read many, many years ago; it wasn't my idea, but hey, it might be the binding force required to bring us all together and keep us from factionalising again. (I'm not even sure that is a word, this dictionary in firefox just ain't up to my desired vocabulary).)

I'm sticking with Hawkin's idea, we need to get off this ball of shit ASAP!!!I was thinking global nuclear police force. You are probably right though, it'll never work. I suppose my hopes will now have to revert back to my original plan; avoid procreation. I figure if I can get through this life without offing spring, I'll have done my part.

Atom
22-12-2011, 05:35 PM
Not too sure about that offspringing, I'd better stick to springing off.

Halo
23-12-2011, 02:45 AM
See, their morals, their "code"... it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these uh, these "civilized people", they'll eat each other

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:clownfrown:

Strong
23-12-2011, 12:30 PM
I was thinking global nuclear police force. You are probably right though, it'll never work. I suppose my hopes will now have to revert back to my original plan; avoid procreation. I figure if I can get through this life without offing spring, I'll have done my part.

I don't think countries like the US, Russia, China will want outside forces telling them what they can and cannot do with their military arsenal. Too much miss trust in the world. Address that and you might find a way, but that's a very long and winding road.

Atom
23-12-2011, 12:47 PM
I don't think countries like the US, Russia, China will want outside forces telling them what they can and cannot do with their military arsenal. Too much miss trust in the world. Address that and you might find a way, but that's a very long and winding road.I don't think that the US, Russia or China along with others could share in the control of such power, each adherent to such a plan would effectively need to concede to a near neutral position because they only have one vote among many.

Atom
23-12-2011, 12:51 PM
Actually for many countries it wouldn't be a concession.

Atom
23-12-2011, 01:04 PM
Imagine, all nations having say in something that important, it's probably a crazy idea.

Strong
23-12-2011, 01:25 PM
The closest we have come is the United Nations and that's as useful as Pinhead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinhead_%28Hellraiser%29) running a condom factory.

Those on the security council will never want to give up their seat, too much power. The UK and France are very close to losing theirs, they are seen as second even third rate powers now, but I don't see them doing so willingly.

Atom
23-12-2011, 01:31 PM
I suppose the powerful nations are also the more populous nations and would feel they should have more say due to that alone.

Atom
23-12-2011, 01:41 PM
This idea of global nuclear neutrality gets crazier the more I think about it. No one nation shall possess nukes, all nukes will exist in one stockpile controlled solely by the GNP. I need to stop thinking about this, I'm horribly under-qualified to be honest, wild speculation at best.

Atom
23-12-2011, 01:54 PM
Along about the third hour of the holly jolly christmas song looping in my head I figure I'm ready to quit.

Muddy
23-12-2011, 02:02 PM
1954

pctec
27-12-2011, 07:02 AM
... <<< --- Three dots

Halo
08-01-2012, 11:06 AM
BrhA0sEkuaM

ewomack
11-01-2012, 05:24 AM
I'm behind that one... where do I vote??!?

pctec
14-01-2012, 03:05 PM
You vote by sending money to my paypal account... I will see Canada gets it :D

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31-01-2012, 12:53 PM
When you thought it can't get any lower than GOP idiots can go, they went even lower.

http://www.amray.com/web/arisonaG.jpg

Go directly to 2m. 7sec.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nawLiw2G45Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8YDnd1Yoyk


I wonder if Republicans in US of A understand concept of Presidency?

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