View Full Version : I'm looking into this:
Muddy
19-10-2009, 10:34 AM
http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy04osti/35297.pdf
Cryren8972
19-10-2009, 10:36 AM
Are you wanting to supply the entire house?
Muddy
19-10-2009, 10:38 AM
Ultimately yes.
"(...)pdfdownload\pdfdownload-20090919\35297.pdf could not be saved, because the source file could not be read."
Now it's either your fault, my fault or their fault, now which is it? lol
Muddy
19-10-2009, 10:45 AM
Weird. It worked for you Cry?
Muddy
19-10-2009, 10:46 AM
The link loads right up for me. hmmm.
I just tried it again and it worked, sorry. Must be their fault.
Cryren8972
19-10-2009, 10:48 AM
So you're going to start with just a couple of things, and build onto it?
Do you have and plan mapped out?
Muddy
19-10-2009, 10:53 AM
Yes.
No, I'm just beginning my investigation.
Nice!
Are you going to go with a grid tied system or a battery and charger system or a hybrid of both?
If you're wise and finances allow, your ultimate goal will be self-sufficiency.
If you're wise and finances allow, your ultimate goal will be self-sufficiency.
And if your finances really allow, then a hybrid would be the best route.
You can probably sell electricity to the utility with a grid tied system and when there is a blackout, the battery backup system will power your home when everyone else has none.
It's expensive, though. Going both ways.
And if your finances really allow, then a hybrid would be the best route.
You can probably sell electricity to the utility with a grid tied system and when there is a blackout, the battery backup system will power your home when everyone else has none.
It's expensive, though. Going both ways.A self sufficient system doesn't have to worry about things like selling power.
Muddy
19-10-2009, 11:01 AM
Nice!
Are you going to go with a grid tied system or a battery and charger system or a hybrid of both?
And if your finances really allow, then a hybrid would be the best route.
You can probably sell electricity to the utility with a grid tied system and when there is a blackout, the battery backup system will power your home when everyone else has none.
It's expensive, though. Going both ways.
This is exactly what I'd like in the end. Pretty spendy though. But seling back to the power company is appealing.
Muddy
19-10-2009, 11:02 AM
A self sufficient system doesn't have to worry about things like selling power.
But if you could recoup some money?
But if you could recoup some money?That may be reasonable in the beginning, but if you do it right the first time, which of course will require a substantial investment and maintenance, you will nip the dependence problem in the bud.
Atom: Suppose Muddy gets to the point where he's producing 125% of the electricity he uses each month. Wouldn't it be nice to get a monthly cheque for the excess 25%?
Atom: Suppose Muddy gets to the point where he's producing 125% of the electricity he uses each month. Wouldn't it be nice to get a monthly cheque for the excess 25%?It is not possible for Muddy to produce more electricity than he uses in a self-sufficient system.
One cannot produce electricity, they may only make it available to use. He and his family will be the only users in a self-sufficient system.
Yes, I'm getting drunk, but bear with me.
LOL
Surely your goal is not to become like the electric company I would hope. lol
I would think that self-sufficiency is quite a worthy goal.
I would think that self-sufficiency is quite a worthy goal.
It is, but if you can get over that barrier, and it will provide a small monthly income, and the costs justify the investment, why not?
It is, but if you can get over that barrier, and it will provide a small monthly income, and the costs justify the investment, why not?Because it entails money for nothin'.
BTW, that translates to the word profit. I think that profit is a good thing, providing it's actually earned. I think that this is a problem with Capitalism, it allows you to receive money not really earned.
Muddy
19-10-2009, 11:37 AM
Because it entails money for nothin'.
And my chicks for free?
And my chicks for free?Precisely. I think that you and I may have been ill-destined as band members in the same band.
Ferre
19-10-2009, 11:41 AM
Down here, where solar and wind energy is very widespread and it has been promoted by the government (via subsidising) since decades there are many households that produce more energy than they actually use. We have a system here that connects household systems with the electricity grid and which goes only one-way, from the producer to the grid with a meter and people receive 0.33 euro for every kilowatt-hour they add to the grid.
Not bad if you ask me. Some people actually have their electricity for free and earn a little extra with their surplus.
Hey wanna hear a good one? Type illdestined into dictionary dot com and you'll get; Did you mean bloodstained? LOL
Down here, where solar and wind energy is very widespread and it has been promoted by the government (via subsidising) since decades there are many households that produce more energy than they actually use. We have a system here that connects household systems with the electricity grid and which goes only one-way, from the producer to the grid with a meter and people receive 0.33 euro for every kilowatt-hour they add to the grid.
Not bad if you ask me. Some people actually have their electricity for free and earn a little extra with their surplus.Oh I see, so no one is profiting but the individual providing the excess then, right? I have a hard time believing that.
What if all entities, such as households, were self-sufficient? Would that not make the most sense?
Muddy
19-10-2009, 11:52 AM
Oh I see, so no one is profiting but the individual providing the excess then, right?
Well the Creationists are trying to think of a way to get some money out of it...
Muddy
19-10-2009, 11:53 AM
What if all entities, such as households, were self-sufficient? Would that not make the most sense?
Ya gall durned communist! lol!
Cryren8972
19-10-2009, 11:56 AM
Weird. It worked for you Cry?
Yeah, I got it! =)
And my chicks for free?
Not for free. Initial charge for poultry, then eggs for free. :3biggrin:
Cryren8972
19-10-2009, 12:05 PM
Because it entails money for nothin'.
BTW, that translates to the word profit. I think that profit is a good thing, providing it's actually earned. I think that this is a problem with Capitalism, it allows you to receive money not really earned.
It would be earned.
Business: investment plus time plus providing a product (electricity)
Not for free. Initial charge for poultry, then eggs for free. :3biggrin:LOL!
Brian, this is you isn't it, why you clever agnostic you. lol
It would be earned.
Business: investment plus time plus providing a product (electricity)Go out back and dig a ditch out of necessity and you will suddenly discover the true meaning of earned.
Cryren8972
19-10-2009, 12:11 PM
Go out back and dig a ditch out of necessity and you will suddenly discover the true meaning of earned.
I've worked some pretty tough jobs in my lifetime...
not digging ditches, but I would have if needed. I'm a single mom...I've always done what I needed to do, and never took from anyone to do it.
I think this would be considered a fair way to earn money.
Muddy
19-10-2009, 12:13 PM
Go out back and dig a ditch out of necessity and you will suddenly discover the true meaning of earned.
Been there, done that. Probably have to do it again many more times before my time is up.
I've worked some pretty tough jobs in my lifetime...
not digging ditches, but I would have if needed. I'm a single mom...I've always done what I needed to do, and never took from anyone to do it.
I think this would be considered a fair way to earn money.Ok, let's presume that it is a fair way to earn money, but what of the self-sufficiency principal? Might it's merits alone not actually counter any merits of Capilatism?
Muddy
19-10-2009, 12:16 PM
I've worked some pretty tough jobs in my lifetime...
not digging ditches, but I would have if needed. I'm a single mom...I've always done what I needed to do, and never took from anyone to do it.
I think this would be considered a fair way to earn money.
Plus that much more energy produced by wind or sun is that much less produced by environmentally damaging methods.
Been there, done that. Probably have to do it again many more times before my time is up.My advice to you; love the pain.
lol
Cryren8972
19-10-2009, 12:18 PM
Ok, let's presume that it is a fair way to earn money, but what of the self-sufficiency principal? Might it's merits alone not actually counter any merits of Capilatism?
I'm not saying self sufficiency isn't a noble and wonderful thing, but I don't think that putting a huge sum of money into something that may turn you a little profit monthly and perhaps pay for itself in it's lifetime, is hardly Capitalism. I'm sure if you compared the cost vs what you would actually make in monthly payments, you'd barely break even.
Plus that much more energy produced by wind or sun is that much less produced by environmentally damaging methods.True. But I think that anyone's primary concern should be self-sufficiency. Remember, you need not be concerned with any wiring beyond your property.
Ferre
19-10-2009, 12:19 PM
Plus that much more energy produced by wind or sun is that much less produced by environmentally damaging methods.
That's one of the motivations down here to subsidise people for building environmental friendly installations. And in England I heard they now give grands to home owners to build solar panels.
Muddy
19-10-2009, 12:30 PM
That's one of the motivations down here to subsidise people for building environmental friendly installations. And in England I heard they now give grands to home owners to build solar panels.
Yeah same here. I'm looking into that too!
Florida Rebates, Tax Credits, and Incentives | Standard Renewable Energy (http://sre3.com/locations.do?pageId=floridarebatesincentives&cityid=florida)
ewomack
19-10-2009, 07:25 PM
That is most awesome. Again, since I only have a condo (my home "Morning Wood") I can't partake, unfortunately...
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